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	<title>Comments on: Henry Porter is just an amoral menace</title>
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		<title>By: Ted Shelton</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2009/04/05/henry-porter-is-just-an-amoral-menace/comment-page-1/#comment-28572</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Shelton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 19:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found it interesting that Porter used the defense in 1787 of newspapers by Thomas Jefferson -- Jefferson would almost certainly see blogs as being more like what he knew of as a newspaper than the massive global corporate controlled &quot;newspapers&quot; that Porter defends.  On this I side with Clay Shirky -- we don&#039;t need newspapers, we need journalism.  I would have liked to reply to Porter - but of course that is pretty much impossible...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found it interesting that Porter used the defense in 1787 of newspapers by Thomas Jefferson &#8212; Jefferson would almost certainly see blogs as being more like what he knew of as a newspaper than the massive global corporate controlled &#8220;newspapers&#8221; that Porter defends.  On this I side with Clay Shirky &#8212; we don&#8217;t need newspapers, we need journalism.  I would have liked to reply to Porter &#8211; but of course that is pretty much impossible&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Suw</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2009/04/05/henry-porter-is-just-an-amoral-menace/comment-page-1/#comment-28569</link>
		<dc:creator>Suw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 16:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex, as far as I can tell from the website, Scribd is nothing to do with Google, so referencing it in a piece which seems to be largely aimed at Google is conflation. If he wants to discuss the role of copyright in an internet-enabled world, then he could do a lot better than this rant. And if he&#039;s really going after Google, then Scribd is irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, as far as I can tell from the website, Scribd is nothing to do with Google, so referencing it in a piece which seems to be largely aimed at Google is conflation. If he wants to discuss the role of copyright in an internet-enabled world, then he could do a lot better than this rant. And if he&#8217;s really going after Google, then Scribd is irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 16:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand, he hits on a fine point when kicking Scribd. I cannot understand how it can square having an industry-leading copyright management system with failing to take down Harry Potter. Which I think we all know is in copyright even before a lawyer writes to us.
Of course, if google go ahead with the google books settlement fully that will create a database of work in and out of copyright that could then be used by Scribd to avoid these issues, were google to share it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, he hits on a fine point when kicking Scribd. I cannot understand how it can square having an industry-leading copyright management system with failing to take down Harry Potter. Which I think we all know is in copyright even before a lawyer writes to us.<br />
Of course, if google go ahead with the google books settlement fully that will create a database of work in and out of copyright that could then be used by Scribd to avoid these issues, were google to share it.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2009/04/05/henry-porter-is-just-an-amoral-menace/comment-page-1/#comment-28562</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 14:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The web isn&#039;t killing newspapers, lazy, unsourced opinion pieces are killing newspapers. The web is just filling the vacuum left in their wake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The web isn&#8217;t killing newspapers, lazy, unsourced opinion pieces are killing newspapers. The web is just filling the vacuum left in their wake.</p>
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		<title>By: Suw</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2009/04/05/henry-porter-is-just-an-amoral-menace/comment-page-1/#comment-28559</link>
		<dc:creator>Suw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 14:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gordon, you&#039;re right that this article does need debunking. I just wish I wasn&#039;t in the middle of moving house, and therefore without much in the way of spare time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordon, you&#8217;re right that this article does need debunking. I just wish I wasn&#8217;t in the middle of moving house, and therefore without much in the way of spare time!</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Rae</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2009/04/05/henry-porter-is-just-an-amoral-menace/comment-page-1/#comment-28556</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Rae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 13:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Porter&#039;s polemic does deserve to have lots of attention paid to it, because it&#039;s such poor quality journalism. Just the obvious things:

1) His comment that democracy needs newspapers shows that &#039;a moment&#039;s thought&#039; was not enough. Democracy needs investigative reporting and freedom to publish reports.  Newspapers were just a 19th century technology. Porter is arguing that the government should shut down  some media outlets and licence others is a very dangerous interference with our liberties.

2) Google&#039;s Chinese service complies with Chinese law, just as Google complied with UK law over the Baby P case, and German law about indexing Nazi sites.  That&#039;s not &quot;brattish amorality&quot;.  Some basic fact checking would have improved the article. If Porter wants to argue that a publisher should be selective about which laws it obeys, let him argue the case, instead of carelessly throwing mud.

3) Google UK returns 122,000 pages for &#039;Henry Porter&#039; and the top matches are to his own website, his Guardian blog, and a paid link to Amazon promoting his novels! He seems quite happy to use Google to help himsef earn a living. His choice. His hypocrisy.

4) Porter&#039;s editors at GMG allow all their content to be indexed by Google. They could block Google bots from crawling their pages but they don&#039;t.  Their choice. 

So he&#039;s a hypocrite employed by a hypocrite to advocate government restrictions on the free circulation of journalism, in the interests of &lt;strike&gt;democracy&lt;/strike&gt; making money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Porter&#8217;s polemic does deserve to have lots of attention paid to it, because it&#8217;s such poor quality journalism. Just the obvious things:</p>
<p>1) His comment that democracy needs newspapers shows that &#8216;a moment&#8217;s thought&#8217; was not enough. Democracy needs investigative reporting and freedom to publish reports.  Newspapers were just a 19th century technology. Porter is arguing that the government should shut down  some media outlets and licence others is a very dangerous interference with our liberties.</p>
<p>2) Google&#8217;s Chinese service complies with Chinese law, just as Google complied with UK law over the Baby P case, and German law about indexing Nazi sites.  That&#8217;s not &#8220;brattish amorality&#8221;.  Some basic fact checking would have improved the article. If Porter wants to argue that a publisher should be selective about which laws it obeys, let him argue the case, instead of carelessly throwing mud.</p>
<p>3) Google UK returns 122,000 pages for &#8216;Henry Porter&#8217; and the top matches are to his own website, his Guardian blog, and a paid link to Amazon promoting his novels! He seems quite happy to use Google to help himsef earn a living. His choice. His hypocrisy.</p>
<p>4) Porter&#8217;s editors at GMG allow all their content to be indexed by Google. They could block Google bots from crawling their pages but they don&#8217;t.  Their choice. </p>
<p>So he&#8217;s a hypocrite employed by a hypocrite to advocate government restrictions on the free circulation of journalism, in the interests of <strike>democracy</strike> making money.</p>
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		<title>By: DE</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2009/04/05/henry-porter-is-just-an-amoral-menace/comment-page-1/#comment-28555</link>
		<dc:creator>DE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 12:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That might just be brilliant</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That might just be brilliant</p>
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