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		<title>By: John Rochester</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2009/04/01/proofreading-the-public-domain/comment-page-1/#comment-28772</link>
		<dc:creator>John Rochester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used xxGPeC9P.</description>
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		<title>By: Proofreading the public domain &#124; Quill &#38; Quire</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2009/04/01/proofreading-the-public-domain/comment-page-1/#comment-28731</link>
		<dc:creator>Proofreading the public domain &#124; Quill &#38; Quire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 18:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the snippet and then either approve it as is or suggest changes. According to technology blogger Suw Charman-Anderson, one of the principals involved with BookOven, &#8220;If our calculations are correct, it will take [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Suw</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2009/04/01/proofreading-the-public-domain/comment-page-1/#comment-28565</link>
		<dc:creator>Suw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 16:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janette, Book Oven is never going to, nor is it intending to, replace professional proofreaders. You&#039;re right that it&#039;s a skill that takes time and application to learn, and no web app will ever replace it. 

But there are many writers out there who aren&#039;t in a position to hire a professional proofreader and, as you pointed out, many of us really need a bit of help! The idea behind Book Oven is to create a community of writers that is willing t0 help each other catch the obvious errors. If members of that community then go on to be picked up by a traditional  publishing house, then their usual proofreading processes will still apply - Book Oven won&#039;t affect that. 

There are many more books being written than will ever be in Book Oven, and I doubt the site will have any impact on professional proofreaders at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janette, Book Oven is never going to, nor is it intending to, replace professional proofreaders. You&#8217;re right that it&#8217;s a skill that takes time and application to learn, and no web app will ever replace it. </p>
<p>But there are many writers out there who aren&#8217;t in a position to hire a professional proofreader and, as you pointed out, many of us really need a bit of help! The idea behind Book Oven is to create a community of writers that is willing t0 help each other catch the obvious errors. If members of that community then go on to be picked up by a traditional  publishing house, then their usual proofreading processes will still apply &#8211; Book Oven won&#8217;t affect that. </p>
<p>There are many more books being written than will ever be in Book Oven, and I doubt the site will have any impact on professional proofreaders at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Janette Currie</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2009/04/01/proofreading-the-public-domain/comment-page-1/#comment-28563</link>
		<dc:creator>Janette Currie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 14:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this a way to get free proofreading? It is a profession and difficult to learn. You seem not to realise this with the typo in your repetition of &#039;on&#039; (l. 20). 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this a way to get free proofreading? It is a profession and difficult to learn. You seem not to realise this with the typo in your repetition of &#8216;on&#8217; (l. 20).<br />
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		<title>By: Rick Segal</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2009/04/01/proofreading-the-public-domain/comment-page-1/#comment-28528</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Segal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 15:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took iDnh4HFP</description>
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		<title>By: Suw</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2009/04/01/proofreading-the-public-domain/comment-page-1/#comment-28519</link>
		<dc:creator>Suw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 10:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, thanks for giving it a look and your comment. In my own experience, I&#039;ve noticed that I do feel really chuffed to find an error, and that the desire to find mistakes is one of the main drivers behind the Bite-Size editor. 

We have discussed whether it would be possible to serve up a known error every so often, but for the moment we&#039;re focusing on ironing out the bugs! That doesn&#039;t mean we won&#039;t figure out a way to do it in the future though. ;) 

But also I think that when we have more people in the normal Bite-Size editor, adding in their own texts, there will probably be more errors for us to find. The Gutenberg texts have all been read and re-read so the percentage of errors is much lower than, say, the first draft of my novel! 

We&#039;ve had a mixed response to the idea of a mobile interface for the Bite-Size Edits, depending on what sort of phone people have, but we&#039;ll certainly take a look at how easy it will be to experiment with, say, an iPhone client. 

Do feel free to keep poking at it and giving us more feedback!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, thanks for giving it a look and your comment. In my own experience, I&#8217;ve noticed that I do feel really chuffed to find an error, and that the desire to find mistakes is one of the main drivers behind the Bite-Size editor. </p>
<p>We have discussed whether it would be possible to serve up a known error every so often, but for the moment we&#8217;re focusing on ironing out the bugs! That doesn&#8217;t mean we won&#8217;t figure out a way to do it in the future though. <img src='http://chocolateandvodka.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>But also I think that when we have more people in the normal Bite-Size editor, adding in their own texts, there will probably be more errors for us to find. The Gutenberg texts have all been read and re-read so the percentage of errors is much lower than, say, the first draft of my novel! </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve had a mixed response to the idea of a mobile interface for the Bite-Size Edits, depending on what sort of phone people have, but we&#8217;ll certainly take a look at how easy it will be to experiment with, say, an iPhone client. </p>
<p>Do feel free to keep poking at it and giving us more feedback!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 07:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice idea :-) I took aldPyxu1

It&#039;s pretty addictive, but I started wondering whether there&#039;s a bit of a divergence between the aims of the input, and the proofreaders.  The aim of the input is to be as accurate and have as few mistakes as possible - but the proofreader is motivated to find as many as possible.   When you&#039;re working through the snippets, you&#039;re geared up to find errors, so every time you report a correct one, subconsciously you&#039;re being frustrated every time.   I was slightly disappointed that I didn&#039;t find any errors!

What about randomly throwing in a *bogus* error every so (not very) often?   It would give the proofreader a &quot;reward&quot; when they find it, and also give you a rough way of judging an individual reader&#039;s accuracy.

The other thing this is crying out for is a mobile interface - I could absolutely see myself whiling away an idle moment stood in a queue by proofreading a snippet or two on my iPhone.  It&#039;s about as addictive as Drop7, and far more worthwhile ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice idea <img src='http://chocolateandvodka.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I took aldPyxu1</p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty addictive, but I started wondering whether there&#8217;s a bit of a divergence between the aims of the input, and the proofreaders.  The aim of the input is to be as accurate and have as few mistakes as possible &#8211; but the proofreader is motivated to find as many as possible.   When you&#8217;re working through the snippets, you&#8217;re geared up to find errors, so every time you report a correct one, subconsciously you&#8217;re being frustrated every time.   I was slightly disappointed that I didn&#8217;t find any errors!</p>
<p>What about randomly throwing in a *bogus* error every so (not very) often?   It would give the proofreader a &#8220;reward&#8221; when they find it, and also give you a rough way of judging an individual reader&#8217;s accuracy.</p>
<p>The other thing this is crying out for is a mobile interface &#8211; I could absolutely see myself whiling away an idle moment stood in a queue by proofreading a snippet or two on my iPhone.  It&#8217;s about as addictive as Drop7, and far more worthwhile <img src='http://chocolateandvodka.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Collaborative proofreading program in development &#124; TeleRead: Bring the E-Books Home</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2009/04/01/proofreading-the-public-domain/comment-page-1/#comment-28500</link>
		<dc:creator>Collaborative proofreading program in development &#124; TeleRead: Bring the E-Books Home</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 20:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the snippet and then either approve it as is or suggest changes. According to technology blogger Suw Charman-Anderson, one of the principals involved with BookOven, “If our calculations are correct, it will take 100 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2009/04/01/proofreading-the-public-domain/comment-page-1/#comment-28494</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool approach. I took jlZO9eKy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool approach. I took jlZO9eKy.</p>
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		<title>By: Suw</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2009/04/01/proofreading-the-public-domain/comment-page-1/#comment-28492</link>
		<dc:creator>Suw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheers, everyone, for listing your codes here. Still have lots to post up, so don&#039;t worry about us running out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheers, everyone, for listing your codes here. Still have lots to post up, so don&#8217;t worry about us running out!</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Myers</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2009/04/01/proofreading-the-public-domain/comment-page-1/#comment-28490</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used vsjpQFPU</description>
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		<title>By: Alex Ingram</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2009/04/01/proofreading-the-public-domain/comment-page-1/#comment-28482</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Ingram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 08:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent, I&#039;ve taken 3WDL3kQa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent, I&#8217;ve taken 3WDL3kQa</p>
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		<title>By: Monique</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2009/04/01/proofreading-the-public-domain/comment-page-1/#comment-28463</link>
		<dc:creator>Monique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Myb6krry is for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Myb6krry is for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2009/04/01/proofreading-the-public-domain/comment-page-1/#comment-28459</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 17:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I took 35nZhNYR.

Cheers,</description>
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<p>I took 35nZhNYR.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2009/04/01/proofreading-the-public-domain/comment-page-1/#comment-28456</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took 636FnTyv.

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took 636FnTyv.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Noirin Shirley</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2009/04/01/proofreading-the-public-domain/comment-page-1/#comment-28452</link>
		<dc:creator>Noirin Shirley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve taken upCATfBL

Now I&#039;ll be able to read Project Gutenberg books again! I&#039;m definitely in the Carl class :-)</description>
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<p>Now I&#8217;ll be able to read Project Gutenberg books again! I&#8217;m definitely in the Carl class <img src='http://chocolateandvodka.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Ian Burns</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2009/04/01/proofreading-the-public-domain/comment-page-1/#comment-28439</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart Ian Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 20:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mine is WXzzcRvp.  Burp.</description>
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		<title>By: Revealing a Bit of the Book Oven</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2009/04/01/proofreading-the-public-domain/comment-page-1/#comment-28437</link>
		<dc:creator>Revealing a Bit of the Book Oven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The codes went fast! You can find more codes here and here. It&#8217;s late for Suw in the UK, so you may need to try a few codes if they are taken already. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The codes went fast! You can find more codes here and here. It&#8217;s late for Suw in the UK, so you may need to try a few codes if they are taken already. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Suw</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2009/04/01/proofreading-the-public-domain/comment-page-1/#comment-28436</link>
		<dc:creator>Suw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl, I used to work with someone who carried a red pen around at all time, in case she had to do a bit of emergency editing. She once had to edit an entire theatre programme before she could settle down and enjoy the performance.

Everyone else, enjoy!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl, I used to work with someone who carried a red pen around at all time, in case she had to do a bit of emergency editing. She once had to edit an entire theatre programme before she could settle down and enjoy the performance.</p>
<p>Everyone else, enjoy!!</p>
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		<title>By: Michal Migurski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michal Migurski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks interesting, I grabbed mpo1NyjH.</description>
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