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		<title>By: gatuköks glenn</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2008/11/11/recaptcha-on-cnv/comment-page-1/#comment-28224</link>
		<dc:creator>gatuköks glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello just testing the recaptcha</description>
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		<title>By: John Rochester</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2008/11/11/recaptcha-on-cnv/comment-page-1/#comment-26339</link>
		<dc:creator>John Rochester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Add me to the list of people who would much rather use reCaptcha than register. It takes almost no time to type two words, and you don&#039;t have to maintain yet another name &amp; password.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Add me to the list of people who would much rather use reCaptcha than register. It takes almost no time to type two words, and you don&#8217;t have to maintain yet another name &amp; password.</p>
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		<title>By: Suw</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2008/11/11/recaptcha-on-cnv/comment-page-1/#comment-26210</link>
		<dc:creator>Suw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob, I&#039;m not sure that my wrists are so bad that I need to control my computer with my tongue. Hm, which leads me to wonder what RSI of the tongue would feel like... 

Anyway, glad you didn&#039;t find the reCaptcha too onerous!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, I&#8217;m not sure that my wrists are so bad that I need to control my computer with my tongue. Hm, which leads me to wonder what RSI of the tongue would feel like&#8230; </p>
<p>Anyway, glad you didn&#8217;t find the reCaptcha too onerous!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Iliff</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2008/11/11/recaptcha-on-cnv/comment-page-1/#comment-26195</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Iliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the reCaptcha thing was pretty painless...</description>
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		<title>By: Bob Iliff</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2008/11/11/recaptcha-on-cnv/comment-page-1/#comment-26185</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Iliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suw, I seldom comments to blogs, but I&#039;ve gotten so much from your writings regarding software, I feel obligated. I don&#039;t yet what pains I&#039;ll go through (yet) posting this, but I was sorry to see you suffering from typing. So I had an idea to share with you...what if you could type with your tongue? Yes, I&#039;ve invented the Mouth Mouse. I&#039;m a little too old to go get a patent, so I thought I&#039;d disclose the idea to you. It&#039;s a cross between a keyboard and a retainer. Think this idea has merit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suw, I seldom comments to blogs, but I&#8217;ve gotten so much from your writings regarding software, I feel obligated. I don&#8217;t yet what pains I&#8217;ll go through (yet) posting this, but I was sorry to see you suffering from typing. So I had an idea to share with you&#8230;what if you could type with your tongue? Yes, I&#8217;ve invented the Mouth Mouse. I&#8217;m a little too old to go get a patent, so I thought I&#8217;d disclose the idea to you. It&#8217;s a cross between a keyboard and a retainer. Think this idea has merit?</p>
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		<title>By: Suw</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2008/11/11/recaptcha-on-cnv/comment-page-1/#comment-20455</link>
		<dc:creator>Suw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@steve: the nice thing about reCaptcha is that you can refresh the words until you can see a pair you can read. So you should never have the problem of not being able to read them. reCaptcha is also quite tolerant of mistakes - you get a leeway of one character in each word. I&#039;m told their first go success rate is 96%, which isn&#039;t too shabby.

@owen: yeah, i think having real words makes a huge difference. I&#039;m a bit dyslexic and random strings of character are very hard for me. 

Over all though, after talking to Luis I&#039;m much happier with the idea of using reCaptcha permanently here. I get a lot of spam attempts on very old posts, and this should help slow that down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@steve: the nice thing about reCaptcha is that you can refresh the words until you can see a pair you can read. So you should never have the problem of not being able to read them. reCaptcha is also quite tolerant of mistakes &#8211; you get a leeway of one character in each word. I&#8217;m told their first go success rate is 96%, which isn&#8217;t too shabby.</p>
<p>@owen: yeah, i think having real words makes a huge difference. I&#8217;m a bit dyslexic and random strings of character are very hard for me. </p>
<p>Over all though, after talking to Luis I&#8217;m much happier with the idea of using reCaptcha permanently here. I get a lot of spam attempts on very old posts, and this should help slow that down.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen Blacker</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2008/11/11/recaptcha-on-cnv/comment-page-1/#comment-20303</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen Blacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Vicki&#039;s comment is quite pertinent — reCaptcha is at least a little better usability because they &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; (usually) words, which makes it a little easier to guess obscured letterforms.

I still hate captchas, though I do understand why you&#039;d need to use one on a high-traffic blog  :o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Vicki&#8217;s comment is quite pertinent — reCaptcha is at least a little better usability because they <em>are</em> (usually) words, which makes it a little easier to guess obscured letterforms.</p>
<p>I still hate captchas, though I do understand why you&#8217;d need to use one on a high-traffic blog  <img src='http://chocolateandvodka.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Kane</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2008/11/11/recaptcha-on-cnv/comment-page-1/#comment-20203</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Kane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Registering is a bit of a pain but once it&#039;s done, it&#039;s done., and you don&#039;t have to enter your details every time.

These captcha thingies, though, are a pain in the arse, frankly. A good idea in principle but it&#039;s not much bloody use if the security word is illegible. So many times I&#039;ve given up because I keep getting the code wrong, so many comments gone unposted.

Then again, you may never get to read this comment if I can&#039;t fathom out what code this ReCaptcha is asking me to type in...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Registering is a bit of a pain but once it&#8217;s done, it&#8217;s done., and you don&#8217;t have to enter your details every time.</p>
<p>These captcha thingies, though, are a pain in the arse, frankly. A good idea in principle but it&#8217;s not much bloody use if the security word is illegible. So many times I&#8217;ve given up because I keep getting the code wrong, so many comments gone unposted.</p>
<p>Then again, you may never get to read this comment if I can&#8217;t fathom out what code this ReCaptcha is asking me to type in&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Vicki</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2008/11/11/recaptcha-on-cnv/comment-page-1/#comment-20199</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like reCaptcha so much better than most Captcha systems. Aside from knowing that I&#039;m helping to put a document online, I like thhe fact that the words are WORDS. That gives someone like me some extra help. If I&#039;m not quite certain... is that a j, an i, or an l?... I can make a better guess from actual context.

(In general I loathe captchas because I fail at them so often. It&#039;s frustrating.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like reCaptcha so much better than most Captcha systems. Aside from knowing that I&#8217;m helping to put a document online, I like thhe fact that the words are WORDS. That gives someone like me some extra help. If I&#8217;m not quite certain&#8230; is that a j, an i, or an l?&#8230; I can make a better guess from actual context.</p>
<p>(In general I loathe captchas because I fail at them so often. It&#8217;s frustrating.)</p>
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		<title>By: Suw</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2008/11/11/recaptcha-on-cnv/comment-page-1/#comment-20169</link>
		<dc:creator>Suw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say that so far, and having just spoken with the guy who leads the reCaptcha project, that I&#039;m going to stay with it. I like being able to have moderation basically turned off - most of the commenters on this post are people whose names I don&#039;t recognise, and whom I think have probably not commented here before. I like it that they can prove they are human and see their comment posted straight away, without having to wait for me to approve it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say that so far, and having just spoken with the guy who leads the reCaptcha project, that I&#8217;m going to stay with it. I like being able to have moderation basically turned off &#8211; most of the commenters on this post are people whose names I don&#8217;t recognise, and whom I think have probably not commented here before. I like it that they can prove they are human and see their comment posted straight away, without having to wait for me to approve it.</p>
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		<title>By: Björn B.</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2008/11/11/recaptcha-on-cnv/comment-page-1/#comment-20156</link>
		<dc:creator>Björn B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really appreciate the fast way of entering some words than registering, even if it is only once.
It is one account NOT to administer.
So, if it is on me....stay with it please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really appreciate the fast way of entering some words than registering, even if it is only once.<br />
It is one account NOT to administer.<br />
So, if it is on me&#8230;.stay with it please.</p>
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		<title>By: hugh mcguire</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2008/11/11/recaptcha-on-cnv/comment-page-1/#comment-20136</link>
		<dc:creator>hugh mcguire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I *hate* having to register to comment - I find it offensive somehow. Recaptcha is not ideal (ideal would be No Spammers), but I find it better implemented, works well (esp since I can get served other text if i can&#039;t read the first), and it&#039;s doing something useful.  

So: yes to reCaptcha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I *hate* having to register to comment &#8211; I find it offensive somehow. Recaptcha is not ideal (ideal would be No Spammers), but I find it better implemented, works well (esp since I can get served other text if i can&#8217;t read the first), and it&#8217;s doing something useful.  </p>
<p>So: yes to reCaptcha!</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2008/11/11/recaptcha-on-cnv/comment-page-1/#comment-20135</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lost my utube account because I rushed in on the linked
openid thing google want now...
it&#039;s always been a curse this log-in situation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lost my utube account because I rushed in on the linked<br />
openid thing google want now&#8230;<br />
it&#8217;s always been a curse this log-in situation</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2008/11/11/recaptcha-on-cnv/comment-page-1/#comment-20131</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm...I guess I don&#039;t mind registering as long as I don&#039;t have to remember my login/password (brain isn&#039;t what it used to be).  I do have a little trouble sometimes reading the funny letters (eyes aren&#039;t what they used to be either).  I don&#039;t have a blog so I don&#039;t know - do you really end up with a lot of spam comments if you don&#039;t use these measures?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;I guess I don&#8217;t mind registering as long as I don&#8217;t have to remember my login/password (brain isn&#8217;t what it used to be).  I do have a little trouble sometimes reading the funny letters (eyes aren&#8217;t what they used to be either).  I don&#8217;t have a blog so I don&#8217;t know &#8211; do you really end up with a lot of spam comments if you don&#8217;t use these measures?</p>
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		<title>By: Owen Blacker</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2008/11/11/recaptcha-on-cnv/comment-page-1/#comment-20126</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen Blacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have any fundamental problem with reCaptcha™ &lt;em&gt;per se&lt;/em&gt;, my problem is with captchas generically. With a strong astygmatism, I find captchas &lt;em&gt;very&lt;/em&gt; difficult to read and the audio versions unintelligible (on the rare occasions I (a) have headphones and (b) don&#039;t find it inopportune to listen to something at the time).

Personally, I&#039;d much rather have to authenticate somehow — for a blog, I&#039;d expect that to be with a generic ID (probably OpenID, but Google or Yahoo! IDs wouldn&#039;t pticly surprise me any more).

Baiscally, my objections are twofold, then — captchas are inherently poor accessibility and not-great usability, but also they &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=captchas-don&#039;t-work&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;simply don&#039;t work&lt;/a&gt;.

Undortunately, though, I don&#039;t have a better suggestion for how to defeat comment spam. I gather passing all links via Google makes a little difference (which I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll already know far more about than I), but I&#039;d personally go for registration  of some kind (not necessarily maintained by you).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have any fundamental problem with reCaptcha™ <em>per se</em>, my problem is with captchas generically. With a strong astygmatism, I find captchas <em>very</em> difficult to read and the audio versions unintelligible (on the rare occasions I (a) have headphones and (b) don&#8217;t find it inopportune to listen to something at the time).</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;d much rather have to authenticate somehow — for a blog, I&#8217;d expect that to be with a generic ID (probably OpenID, but Google or Yahoo! IDs wouldn&#8217;t pticly surprise me any more).</p>
<p>Baiscally, my objections are twofold, then — captchas are inherently poor accessibility and not-great usability, but also they <a href="http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=captchas-don't-work" rel="nofollow">simply don&#8217;t work</a>.</p>
<p>Undortunately, though, I don&#8217;t have a better suggestion for how to defeat comment spam. I gather passing all links via Google makes a little difference (which I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll already know far more about than I), but I&#8217;d personally go for registration  of some kind (not necessarily maintained by you).</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2008/11/11/recaptcha-on-cnv/comment-page-1/#comment-20115</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Must admit I&#039;m not keen on registration either. Haven&#039;t come across reCAPTCHA before, but compared to other image verification checks at least the text you have to reproduce is relatively legible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Must admit I&#8217;m not keen on registration either. Haven&#8217;t come across reCAPTCHA before, but compared to other image verification checks at least the text you have to reproduce is relatively legible.</p>
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		<title>By: Suw</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2008/11/11/recaptcha-on-cnv/comment-page-1/#comment-20113</link>
		<dc:creator>Suw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@will recaptcha say that the amount of &#039;work&#039; done is the same as normal captchas, so you&#039;re not sacrificing much by typing in the extra word, and I suspect it may even be less than captchas that require you to type in random strings of characters. Not sure if it&#039;s less work than, say, maths- or statement-based Turing tests though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@will recaptcha say that the amount of &#8216;work&#8217; done is the same as normal captchas, so you&#8217;re not sacrificing much by typing in the extra word, and I suspect it may even be less than captchas that require you to type in random strings of characters. Not sure if it&#8217;s less work than, say, maths- or statement-based Turing tests though.</p>
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		<title>By: Suw</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2008/11/11/recaptcha-on-cnv/comment-page-1/#comment-20112</link>
		<dc:creator>Suw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From their wiki FAQ: 

&quot;One of the words displayed by reCAPTCHA is from an old book which is being digitized. As such it is not graded - it cannot. Indeed, occasionally it may be blank, or just a bit of noise.

&quot;On the word that is checked, the user is (currently) allowed to be off by one letter. It has been found that this increases the user experience while not degrading security by a large amount. This is tuned dynamically based on many factors.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From their wiki FAQ: </p>
<p>&#8220;One of the words displayed by reCAPTCHA is from an old book which is being digitized. As such it is not graded &#8211; it cannot. Indeed, occasionally it may be blank, or just a bit of noise.</p>
<p>&#8220;On the word that is checked, the user is (currently) allowed to be off by one letter. It has been found that this increases the user experience while not degrading security by a large amount. This is tuned dynamically based on many factors.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Suw</title>
		<link>http://chocolateandvodka.com/2008/11/11/recaptcha-on-cnv/comment-page-1/#comment-20110</link>
		<dc:creator>Suw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok... so if i get one letter wrong in each word, it seems to go through, but two letters wrong and it doesn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok&#8230; so if i get one letter wrong in each word, it seems to go through, but two letters wrong and it doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Suw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And again...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And again&#8230;</p>
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